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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.26 04:05:00 -
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It saddens me to hear of innocent casualties. However I have often been forced to risk innocent lives while raiding slaver convoys so I cannot sit in judgement of The Bloody Hands of Matar.
Midular and her treacherous cabinet know full well that the people are against this clandestine deal to sell our people out to the Nafanter. They know full well that any such meetings with our blood enemies will be a target. It was short sighted and irresponsible of them to hold this meeting in a Republic facility that houses Matari civilians. Perhaps darker still they are adopting the tactics of those they would call master and used the inhabitants of the station as a human shield.
The Mandate is the perfect home for race traitors, Midular and her lackies should hold their meetings there. Even better if they do not return to Republic space when they are done selling the Matari people out. The Nafanter betrayed us once, they will do it again. The only peace they should be offered is the peace of death.
The Rebellion is not over, our work is not yet done, our people are not yet free. We are at war and those who fraternise with the enemy in secret should be exposed and put to the trials.
One ISK for Midular.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Nebulous
While I value the work electus matari does for our enslaved brothers and sisters, I cant help but feel their love for the republic is far to strong...
I disagree with you on this Brother.
The Electus Matari and others like them love the Republic to the point that they think Midular and her nest of traitors are the Republic. They do not love the dream of the Republic enough.
The Republic is an ideal, it is a fragile dream given form by the blood of our people. Sadly it is a dream that has slowly turned to nightmare. There are many of us not blinded to the reality by the dream, Ushra'Khan, Fimbulwinter, the Thukker, those who now hold Federation citizenship and many others who may not wish me to name them.
The Republic the ancestors fought for and built was supposed to unify the tribes, preserve our culture and rebuild what we lost so long ago at the hands of the Amarr. Instead the dream has been perverted to the point that many of us would have no part of it. It has been twisted to become not our salvation but instead our slow road back to chains.
The Republic is a mechanism that is supposed to serve the people. The Republic is the people, our people. At least it should be but that is the dream.
Who has created this mockery of what our forefathers fought for? As always the Nafanter and the Amarr that hold their leash! Karin Midular is nothing more than an agent of the slavers and she seeks to do their work.
If you love the dream of the Republic then you love our people. If you love our people then you will take up your Khumaak, raise your bloodied fist in the air and Rise!
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2007.05.26 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
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Telemicus, I don't want to seem sharp with you but what you're telling me I think, ties in nowhere with anything I've actually said...
Telling you? when did I address you? Anything you say does not change my opinions of this news or on the state of the Republic.
Originally by: Evanda Char
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That doesn't change the fact that bombing Matari civilians to make a political point is an abhorrent act.
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Bless the little spin doctors. Matari Citizens were not bombed to make a political point. A delegation of Nafanter traitors was bombed in an attempt to kill them. The civilian casualties are an unfortunate side effect of hiding the enemy behind a human shield.
I hear the same thing from slavers all the time. The twisted reasoning that if a few Matari die when I attack a convoy yet a hundred are saved it is somehow wrong of me to raid the convoy. Better to keep my hands clean of blood and let a hundred die in the camps rather than risk the lives of a few? I think not.
If the Republic and the Slavers have such a concern for the well being of the Matari people they can hold their talks away from the civillian populace and when they find their convoys under attack they can peacefully heave to and transfer their hostages safely to us.
Originally by: Alywn
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Who has created this mockery of what our forefathers fought for? As always the Nafanter and the Amarr that hold their leash! Karin Midular is nothing more than an agent of the slavers and she seeks to do their work.
So in our serving the republic does that make us agents of the Slavers as well?
Your desperate attempts to spin my words remind me of the same gibberish the slavers come out with. You are worse at it even than them.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2007.05.27 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mori Felding
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Bless the little spin doctors. Matari Citizens were not bombed to make a political point. A delegation of Nafanter traitors was bombed in an attempt to kill them. The civilian casualties are an unfortunate side effect of hiding the enemy behind a human shield.
That's about the most stupid thing I heard in a long time, the only one spinning that is you, Thrace. The only one knowing they're a target is the bloody hands...
They are Nafanter, they are race traitors. These are the ones who sold the rest of us out during the occupation. These are the ones who harbour slavers that prey on the border worlds. These are the ones who would sell the homeworld to Caldari mining corporations if they could only get control of it.
If after a century of war with these collaborators the Bloody Hands of Matar are the only ones left in the Republic that see them as the enemy then it is a dark day for the Republic.
It is quite clear that the Bloody Hands will strike at the enemy wherever and however they can. It is the responsibility of Midular and the other members of the Ammatar fan club to hold future talks away from Matari civilian populations.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2007.05.27 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: GulletSplitter
So what I'm getting from your posts Telemicus is that you are more interested in killing all the Ammatar then actually leading "our blood" to the cause of freedom. They are our blood even if they are misguided and blinded by the sermons of the Amarr. Wouldn't you rather turn them to the cause of freedom over keeping them as another tent in the camp of our enemy? And if so, doesn't helping them to the cause of our people require them to be alive?
Attempting to blow up diplomatic efforts gives them no option other then to apostate themselves at the foot of the Amarr.
Our people will be free forever when those who enslave them are dead and gone. Killing the slavers is one of many steps on the road to freeing the enslaved.
The Nefanter tribe once shared the Council of Elders with the other tribes. The Amarr came. The Nefanter converted to the Amarrian faith in order to save themselves. They then went on to plunder the relics and property of the other tribes while at the same time putting the Amarrian whip to the backs of their former brothers. They commited the greatest act of treachery in our history. Why in the name of the gods would I want these filth at my back ready to do it all again?
They serve the Amarr, they are our blood enemy. You speak of them being our blood? our people? Speak to any medi-tech and he will tell you our bodies are full of redundant and vestigal organs. They can be removed without harm to the body as they serve no purpose. They are left in place though until they become infected or cancerous. When they do they are cut out and destroyed.
The Ammatar are the cancer in our body. They are the defective strands in our DNA. They are the notes of discord in our songs, they are the stink on the wind at our meals. We did not cast them out and wage war on them for a century for no reason.
The war is not over, the uprising is not over. The Ammatar still seek to destroy the other tribes, they still serve the Amarr and they both still enslave and torture millions of our people. Now is not the time to give up, we must finish the work our ancestors began or it was all for nothing.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2007.05.27 05:02:00 -
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With our technology there are some who could indeed have taken part in the original betrayal. Regardless, the more recent crimes of the Nafanter tribe and the rest of the Ammatar filth are just as unforgivable.
If they wish to come back to the fold, if they wish to fight to free our people and make right the wrongs they have committed they can start with a few simple steps.
1) Free all slaves and POWs.
2) Renounce their false god and cease to practice the Amarrian religion.
3) Break off all diplomatic ties with the Amarr Empire beyond those held by the Republic.
4) Make the trafficing of slaves illegal in the Mandate.
If they do this then I will be willing to entertain the notion they may have changed. They would still have a long road to walk before I call any of them kin but it would be a start.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2007.05.27 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Agustus Caesar
Thrace, who the hell are you to bark orders at the Republic? Why shouldn't the Republic entertain peace talks? Because you said so? Because the river's of blood aren't quite high enough? Because your genocidal agenda hasn't been fufilled? .....You would burn this bridge why exactly? For the scores of slaves hopelessly deep behind enemy lines that haven fluxuated in decades?....
Finally, to be frank Thrace, as much hatred as you profess towards the Republic I don't see where the hell you get off on trying to dictate it's foreign policy. If you hate us so much stop barking out orders like you run the damn place, your insistance of sticking your nose into matters that don't involve you reminds me alot of the Imperial loyalists favorite card, the "rudely suggesting outrageous actions to nations we've publicly stated we want nothing to do with" card; it makes me wonder what else you've picked up from them.
Stop crying boy. If you don't know who I am then you need to study the history of your own alliance for starters. A little over a year ago I sat on the Electus Matari ruling Council. You may not know me but I know the Electus Matari, I know you very well.
I have voiced my opinion here on matters that concern me greatly. Being a free man alone grants me that right. I have spilled and shed blood for the Republic. I went further, I went to aid those who would take the fight to the enemy to free our people. When Karishal opened my eyes to the truth I followed him on the most successful military campaign against the slavers our people have seen since the uprising. For that I am branded a traitor and an outlaw by the Republic.
Yet still I fight to free our brothers and send them back to the homeworld with the help of The Liberty Network. An organisation I founded to get freed slaves back to Republic space and to stem the tide of free workers being contracted in Republic space by slavers only to find themselves in chains once more. Even now I live as an outlaw on the rim of space fighting to halt the expansion of the Empire that seeks to put us all back into chains.
That boy, in a nutshell, is who the hell I am. Show me, what orders have I barked at the Republic here? At what point have I professed hatred for the Republic? I see through Midular and know she serves the interests of the enemy over that of the Republic and it's people but that does not mean I hate the institution of the Republic.
People I have freed and sent back to the homeworld regularly seek Federation citizenship to get away from the Republic. The Bloody Hands of Matar are gaining supporters every day, the dissillusionment they feel is growing. These are the very people the institution of the Republic was formed to serve. Not Midular, not the Nafanter, not their master the Amarr. Simply put the Republic has failed the majority of the Matari people, people I fight for daily.
Regardless of whether your masters call me a traitor for not bowing mindlessly to their will I am very much involved in these matters. You can put words in my mouth, you can get all hot and bothered and you can insult me but it changes nothing that I have said and I am right.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2007.05.27 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mori Felding
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
They are Nafanter, they are race traitors. These are the ones who sold the rest of us out during the occupation. These are the ones who harbour slavers that prey on the border worlds. These are the ones who would sell the homeworld to Caldari mining corporations if they could only get control of it.
If after a century of war with these collaborators the Bloody Hands of Matar are the only ones left in the Republic that see them as the enemy then it is a dark day for the Republic.
It is quite clear that the Bloody Hands will strike at the enemy wherever and however they can. It is the responsibility of Midular and the other members of the Ammatar fan club to hold future talks away from Matari civilian populations.
Then maybe attack the delegation on mandate space? Or is that too demanding for the Bloody Hands? They're nothing more than race traitors themselves causing civilian death like that. Once I thought the Bloody Hands was to symbolize the blood of our enemies, not our own.
To the best of my knowledge the Bloody Hands of Matar have at most a couple of pod pilots in their ranks. They are a group made up of Republic Citizens, they do not have access to the same resources as the pod pilot community so I would imagine, yes, it is too demanding for them to hit the delegation in Mandate space.
As I have said twice already, all Midular has to do is hold the talks in the Mandate in future. Then decent Matari will be safe from being caught in the crossfire.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2007.05.27 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mori Felding
Edited by: Mori Felding on 27/05/2007 10:21:57
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As I have said twice already, all Midular has to do is hold the talks in the Mandate in future. Then decent Matari will be safe from being caught in the crossfire.
A very good idea actually, if the conditions are any safer there anyhow. Not like having Ammatar civilians die is much better.
Well I would differ on that. If Midular and some Nefanter are the only ones in harms way I am a happy man.
Sadly as you can see in other news I must cut my part in this debate short. Myself and my men are needed on the frontlines.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2007.05.27 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Agustus Caesar
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
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I see you've also picked up the "completely dodge the point and brag about own exploits" card from the CVA as well. You still fail to give a valid reason as to why the Republic shouldn't persue peace talks with the Mandate.
Look kid, you asked me who I am to speak about such things. I told you.
Why should the Republic in my opinion not pursue peace talks with the Amarr? because they are the enemy and they talk peace only so they can betray the Matari people again. Surrender talks? you threw that one in there boy, not me.
Originally by: Agustus Caesar
You want me to tell you what orders you've been barking out? Seems old age is getting to you so I'll repeat what you've been demanding of the nation you've abandoned so long ago.
Go on then...
Originally by: Agustus Caesar
You keep attacking this peace process as though it's your fleets that are being destroyed in the skies above the Mandate, as if it's your families held in captivity in Mandate POW camps, as if it's your families dying in countless skirmishes every day that in the end acomplish nothing. So go right ahead, brag about your exploits some more, talk about how you used to be in a position to demand anything of the Republic, call me boy a few dozen more times, but for the love of all that's holy address the damn points already!
No, sorry. I don't see any orders I have barked in there. Perhaps you should speak to some of my squad, they well know it when I bark an order. You just seem to be complaining that I have achieved more battle honours than you.
My fleets do sometimes get destroyed fighting in the Mandate. Sometimes we destroy the enemy fleet which of course is my preference. My people are being held in chains, to free them is why I fight the slavers at every turn. I fight them in the Mandate, in the Empire, The Bleak Lands and in Providence. Every single day. You?
You whine that I do not address the points, I don't see you making one. Please, take a deep breath and try again. I will attempt to answer any valid points you can make as my schedule permits. Meanwhile I have a war to fight.
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